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PAW and PVU

Post by macsir » Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:42 am

Hi, all
Just heard that if you install PAW onto another server which is different from PAL, then this server needs to be PVU-based as well. Unbelievable!
Is that true?
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Re: PAW and PVU

Post by Wim Gielis » Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:48 am

Speaking with technical people:
- the PAW is not part of the ILMT catalog, so that would be weird
- the ILMT client would not know what happens in the Docker, so again an indication of the contrary
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Re: PAW and PVU

Post by macsir » Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:48 am

Thanks, Wim. I know what you mean but I actually found the evidence doc from IBM website.
https://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sla ... enDocument
rogram Name (Program Number):
IBM Planning Analytics Workspace 2.0.43 (Tool)
IBM Planning Analytics Workspace Non-Production 2.0.43 (Tool)

The following standard terms apply to Licensee's use of the Program.

Limited use right

As described in the International Program License Agreement ("IPLA") and this License Information, IBM grants Licensee a limited right to use the Program. This right is limited to the level of Authorized Use, such as a Processor Value Unit ("PVU"), a Resource Value Unit ("RVU"), a Value Unit ("VU"), or other specified level of use, paid for by Licensee as evidenced in the Proof of Entitlement.
The following link confirms it as well. PAL is the principle program and PAW is a supporting program.
https://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sla ... enDocument
Program Name (Program Number):
IBM Planning Analytics Local TM1 Server 2.0.8 (5737-B03)
IBM Planning Analytics Local TM1 Server for Non-Production Environment 2.0.8 (5737-B03)

The following standard terms apply to Licensee's use of the Program.

Limited use right

As described in the International Program License Agreement ("IPLA") and this License Information, IBM grants Licensee a limited right to use the Program. This right is limited to the level of Authorized Use, such as a Processor Value Unit ("PVU"), a Resource Value Unit ("RVU"), a Value Unit ("VU"), or other specified level of use, paid for by Licensee as evidenced in the Proof of Entitlement.
Supporting Programs:
- IBM Planning Analytics Workspace
- IBM Planning Analytics Workspace for Non-Production
For example, if this Program were licensed on a PVU (Processor Value Unit) basis and Licensee were to install the Principal Program or a Supporting Program on a 100 PVU machine (physical or virtual) and another Supporting Program on a second 100 PVU machine, Licensee would be required to obtain 200 PVU entitlements to the Program.
It is clearly saying if you install PAW onto another machine, then that machine requires PVU as well to be as entitlements.
Very interesting!!!
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Re: PAW and PVU

Post by ykud » Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:44 pm

macsir wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:48 am


The following link confirms it as well. PAL is the principle program and PAW is a supporting program.
https://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sla ... enDocument
Program Name (Program Number):
IBM Planning Analytics Local TM1 Server 2.0.8 (5737-B03)
IBM Planning Analytics Local TM1 Server for Non-Production Environment 2.0.8 (5737-B03)

The following standard terms apply to Licensee's use of the Program.

Limited use right

As described in the International Program License Agreement ("IPLA") and this License Information, IBM grants Licensee a limited right to use the Program. This right is limited to the level of Authorized Use, such as a Processor Value Unit ("PVU"), a Resource Value Unit ("RVU"), a Value Unit ("VU"), or other specified level of use, paid for by Licensee as evidenced in the Proof of Entitlement.
Supporting Programs:
- IBM Planning Analytics Workspace
- IBM Planning Analytics Workspace for Non-Production
For example, if this Program were licensed on a PVU (Processor Value Unit) basis and Licensee were to install the Principal Program or a Supporting Program on a 100 PVU machine (physical or virtual) and another Supporting Program on a second 100 PVU machine, Licensee would be required to obtain 200 PVU entitlements to the Program.
It is clearly saying if you install PAW onto another machine, then that machine requires PVU as well to be as entitlements.
Very interesting!!!
It also lists Planning Analytics for Excel as a supporting program, so it would require every client to be PVU licensed? I think something's off, will check with our IBM contacts :)

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Re: PAW and PVU

Post by macsir » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:03 am

Thanks, that is good point. Is it another example of messy document from IBM? Or it is done intentionally for legal purpose?
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Re: PAW and PVU

Post by macsir » Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:53 pm

Actually, if you look at licensing info for PAx only, there is no PVU mentioning at all in this link.
https://www-03.ibm.com/software/sla/sla ... enDocument
For example, if this Program were licensed on a PVU (Processor Value Unit) basis and Licensee were to install the Principal Program or a Supporting Program on a 100 PVU machine (physical or virtual) and another Supporting Program on a second 100 PVU machine, Licensee would be required to obtain 200 PVU entitlements to the Program.
This sentence has the "if" condition in the front. Therefore, it doesn't say all of them from the list is PVU-based. (PAx is not clearly.)
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Re: PAW and PVU

Post by stephen waters » Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:36 pm

sorry, duplicate post!
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Re: PAW and PVU

Post by stephen waters » Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:54 pm

That is interesting (and worrying!). I queried this in Aug 2019 with IBM in the context of PA Express where the PAW server is not listed as supported program .

I got the answer below which seems to cover both PA Local and PA Express.

"We don't count the PAW servers as part of the PVU or server count so yes you can install on separate boxes. The main server and power is in the PA server. Don't forget PAW runs in Docker.

I asked for confirmation that it applied to PA Local and PA Express and was given a verbal reply that yes it did.

btw it looks like they changed the wording on the license agreement in PAL 2.0.7, adding on the section about PVU's for the supporting programs. I have not seem any announcement about this though.

I have asked IBM again and will let you know what answer I get.

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Re: PAW and PVU

Post by stephen waters » Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:41 pm

I have checked again with IBM and they have pointed out a further clause in the license document which says:

Components Used for Establishing Required Entitlements
When determining the number of entitlements required for Licensee's installation or use of the Program, the installation or use of only the following Program components are taken into consideration. In other words, Licensee may install and use Program components other than those listed below, under the license terms, but only the listed components are used to determine the number of entitlements required for the Program.
- TM1 Server


This appears to contradict the earlier clause about supported programs but I have been told it takes precedence and have been assured by IBM that "PAW installs do not count towards the PVU entitlement count".

So, looks like the license document is just another example of IBM trying to confuse people !

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Re: PAW and PVU

Post by Wim Gielis » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:33 pm

True, Stephen. IBM staff in France have pointed this out as well, thereby putting it in an email as a proof.
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Re: PAW and PVU

Post by macsir » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:12 am

stephen waters wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:41 pm
I have checked again with IBM and they have pointed out a further clause in the license document which says:

Components Used for Establishing Required Entitlements
When determining the number of entitlements required for Licensee's installation or use of the Program, the installation or use of only the following Program components are taken into consideration. In other words, Licensee may install and use Program components other than those listed below, under the license terms, but only the listed components are used to determine the number of entitlements required for the Program.
- TM1 Server


This appears to contradict the earlier clause about supported programs but I have been told it takes precedence and have been assured by IBM that "PAW installs do not count towards the PVU entitlement count".

So, looks like the license document is just another example of IBM trying to confuse people !
Thanks, guys for the double-checking. Yes, I got same confirmation from IBM too. Now I am very exciting to have my new Linux box to run PAW! :D
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Re: PAW and PVU

Post by macsir » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:14 am

Wim Gielis wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:33 pm
True, Stephen. IBM staff in France have pointed this out as well, thereby putting it in an email as a proof.
Thanks, Wim.
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